Eustace Mullins is the last living protege of Ezra Pound, the author of the only book burned in Germany since Hitler (a burning under the direction of Americans) Here's a piece of my conversation with him on his front porch on July 8th, 2003.

Let's start with your first book, Secrets of the Federal Reserve

I started the research in 1948, the year I met Ezra Pound. I worked for three years on that book and I went through 2000 books at the Library of Congress to get the material for it.

And you worked with George Stimson on Secrets of the Federal Reserve?

Yes. George was quite a scholar. He was founder of the National Press Club, which did one terrible thing to this country. It created the myth that journalists are serious people. They'd always been known as drunks and fools up to that point, which is what they were. George, because he wasn't a fool or a drunk, created the National Press Club as a place where serious journalists could be taken seriously. But there aren't any. So the NPC became a big office building where a lot of lobbyists and journalists have their offices.

Ezra Pound commissioned me to write Secrets of the Federal Reserve for $10 a week. When I finished the book, no one would touch it. Devin Garrity said they couldn't print it, and they'd be the only ones that could. We finally found a girl who printed a thousand copies and we sold it immediately. We sold it within a month, they took every book. The German edition came out in '55 and it was burned by the German government.

Was there a rationale?

Well, it went before a court hearing and judge named Israel Katz, an Occupation judge, ruled that the book was unconstitutional under German law. It broke laws against race and that was the legal excuse for them to ban the book.

I tried to sue the German govt. and the German govt. said they were still under the American occupation, so I sued the American govt. and they said that Germany had gotten its "freedom" back in 1953...some kind of treaty. It was a total runaround.

What'd you do for Joe McCarthy?

I researched and wrote material for him. Actually, I destroyed Joe McCarthy because I introduced him to the real origins of Communism, which was the international bankers. I showed him the connections between international bankers like the Rothschilds and Communism. You can't have a worldwide movement without a lot of money behind it.

Speaking of Communists, what's your take on their descendants, the Neocons?

The Neocons are worse than the Communists because they're bent on world power more than the Communists ever were. The Neocons are more dangerous because they've taken Communism and hitched to the Jewish bandwagon. They see it as the final vehicle to world domination.

What about Jews? Are you an anti-semite?

The real Jews were Orthodox Jews, and they've believed for 2000 years that there can be no Jewish kingdom on earth until the coming of the Messiah. Of course, they refuse to admit that Jesus was the Messiah, so no Jewish kingdom... In 1810, the Rothschilds began to push for a country for the Jews, so they created a new brand of Judaism called Reform Judaism which would establish a new Jewish country, which is now Israel. Only the Rothschilds could do that because to create a worldwide movement costs a lot of money. Theodor Herzl's The Jewish State was originally called Address to the Rothschilds They financed Karl Marx and the League of Just Men, too. They financed Judaism, Communism and Nazism. Their goal has been constant, and you can't succeed unless you have goals.

Let's touch on the Council on Foreign Relations...

The CFR was a phoney institution, they've never had any power at all. They take their orders from the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London, the Rothschilds.

Let's talk about the Ruling Class: Jewish, Gentile, Gentile- Jewish...?

It's more Gentile than Jewish, but the policies are ultimately Zionist-Jewish, through the Rothschild family. They don't give a damn about Jew or Christian, however. They'll organize a massacre of Jews or Christians if it serves their purposes. Most of the pogroms in Europe were organized by Jews as a matter of policy.

You've been studying these things for 60 years, and some members of my generation are just waking up to what you know. This thing has a million names, The New World Order, the Octopus...

You can call it anything, and it's still the same thing. It's five thousand years old. You're not talking about something new when you speak of the CFR. They'll use the CFR for a while and then abandon it and setup something else.